Problem z diskom, na katerem so Windowsi

chief · 17. January, 2009

Halo,

imam 3 sata diske:
-80GB 1x ntfs Windowsi
-160GB vec particij, ena od njih ya Ubuntu
-320GB podatki

Windows disk je v Partition Editorju viden kot sda1, ampak je zraven klicaj in pise

Stanje: Ni priklopljeno
Ni mogoce brati vsebine tega datotecnega sistem itd.

Ce izberem Mesta=>Izmenljivi nosilci, ga vidim, vendar v vrstici pise /media/Sistem

V grub menu.lst imam

# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda1
title Microsoft Windows XP Professional
root (hd0,0)
savedefault
makeactive
chainloader +1

Javi mi NTldr is missing.

Zadeva ni pravilno zmountana?

Prosim za pomoc.

Hvala

Cube · 17. January, 2009

a to ko pozenes windows ti napise? to je problem z windowsom mislim ne z grubom,..tk da probej narest repair windows...

lp,cube

chief · 18. January, 2009

Ce bootam z diska (80GB), na katerem so windowsi, se Windowsi nalozijo normalno mimo Gruba.

Grub je na 160GB disku. In ce preko Gruba zelim v Windowse, mi javi NTldr is missing. Tako da sedaj moram v BIOSu menjat zaporedje diskov za boot, da lahko saltam med Windows in Ubuntu.

V Partition editorju je windows particija na 80GB disku oznacena kot sda1 (v Grub torej (hd0,0)). Zraven pa pise, da ni mogoce brati vsebine tega datotecnega sistema.

Je pa ta datotecni sistem viden kot izmenljivi disk. In tukaj noter je po mojem kec. Ni pravilno zmoutan. Ampak tukaj pa moje znanje odpove. Sem bolj redko na linuxih. Samo kadar je kej za faks nardit. Ubuntu pa itak vse sami nardijo.:)

chief · 20. January, 2009

Nihče ne pozna drobovja? Jao.:(

Cube · 20. January, 2009

probaj z rekonfiguracijo gruba, navodila so na forumu...

lp,cube

ubuntu · 20. January, 2009

Enostavno reši problem tako da v Windowsu instaliraš program "disk direktor 10.0 suite" . Z njim lahko ustvariš grafični bootloader v katerem boš lahko izbiraš med naloženimi Os.

hertz · 20. January, 2009

Zgleda, da imaš narobe nastavljen GRUB. Prilepi vsebino /boot/grub/menu.lst

LP

chief · 21. January, 2009

# menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8)
# grub-install(8), grub-floppy(8),
# grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub
# and /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/.

## default num
# Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0, and
# the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not used.
#
# You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry
# is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'.
# WARNING: If you are using dmraid do not change this entry to 'saved' or your
# array will desync and will not let you boot your system.
default 0

## timeout sec
# Set a timeout, in SEC seconds, before automatically booting the default entry
# (normally the first entry defined).
timeout 5

## hiddenmenu
# Hides the menu by default (press ESC to see the menu)
#hiddenmenu

# Pretty colours
color cyan/blue white/blue

## password ['--md5'] passwd
# If used in the first section of a menu file, disable all interactive editing
# control (menu entry editor and command-line) and entries protected by the
# command 'lock'
# e.g. password topsecret
# password --md5 $1$gLhU0/$aW78kHK1QfV3P2b2znUoe/
# password topsecret

#
# examples
#
# title Windows 95/98/NT/2000
# root (hd0,0)
# makeactive
# chainloader +1
#
# title Linux
# root (hd0,1)
# kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro
#

#
# Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST

### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified
## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below

## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs

## ## Start Default Options ##
## default kernel options
## default kernel options for automagic boot options
## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z
## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted.
## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro
## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro
# kopt=root=UUID=6a2f104e-44cb-4412-bd84-84fdb1006afe ro

## Setup crashdump menu entries
## e.g. crashdump=1
# crashdump=0

## default grub root device
## e.g. groot=(hd0,0)
# groot=(hd1,3)

## should update-grub create alternative automagic boot options
## e.g. alternative=true
## alternative=false
# alternative=true

## should update-grub lock alternative automagic boot options
## e.g. lockalternative=true
## lockalternative=false
# lockalternative=false

## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the
## alternatives
## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5
# defoptions=quiet splash

## should update-grub lock old automagic boot options
## e.g. lockold=false
## lockold=true
# lockold=false

## Xen hypervisor options to use with the default Xen boot option
# xenhopt=

## Xen Linux kernel options to use with the default Xen boot option
# xenkopt=console=tty0

## altoption boot targets option
## multiple altoptions lines are allowed
## e.g. altoptions=(extra menu suffix) extra boot options
## altoptions=(recovery) single
# altoptions=(recovery mode) single

## controls how many kernels should be put into the menu.lst
## only counts the first occurence of a kernel, not the
## alternative kernel options
## e.g. howmany=all
## howmany=7
# howmany=all

## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option
## e.g. memtest86=true
## memtest86=false
# memtest86=true

## should update-grub adjust the value of the default booted system
## can be true or false
# updatedefaultentry=false

## should update-grub add savedefault to the default options
## can be true or false
# savedefault=false

## ## End Default Options ##

title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-23-generic
root (hd1,3)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-23-generic root=UUID=6a2f104e-44cb-4412-bd84-84fdb1006afe ro quiet splash
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-23-generic
quiet

title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-23-generic (recovery mode)
root (hd1,3)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-23-generic root=UUID=6a2f104e-44cb-4412-bd84-84fdb1006afe ro single
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-23-generic

#title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-22-generic
#root (hd1,3)
#kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-22-generic root=UUID=6a2f104e-44cb-4412-bd84-84fdb1006afe ro quiet splash
#initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-22-generic
#quiet

#title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-22-generic (recovery mode)
#root (hd1,3)
#kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-22-generic root=UUID=6a2f104e-44cb-4412-bd84-84fdb1006afe ro single
#initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-22-generic

#title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic
#root (hd1,3)
#kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=6a2f104e-44cb-4412-bd84-84fdb1006afe ro quiet splash
#initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic
#quiet

#title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic (recovery mode)
#root (hd1,3)
#kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=6a2f104e-44cb-4412-bd84-84fdb1006afe ro single
#initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic

#title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.17-12-generic
#root (hd1,3)
#kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-12-generic root=UUID=6a2f104e-44cb-4412-bd84-84fdb1006afe ro quiet splash
#initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-12-generic
#quiet

#title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.17-12-generic (recovery mode)
#root (hd1,3)
#kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-12-generic root=UUID=6a2f104e-44cb-4412-bd84-84fdb1006afe ro single
#initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-12-generic

#title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.17-11-generic
#root (hd1,3)
#kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-11-generic root=UUID=6a2f104e-44cb-4412-bd84-84fdb1006afe ro quiet splash
#initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-11-generic
#quiet

#title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.17-11-generic (recovery mode)
#oot (hd1,3)
#kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-11-generic root=UUID=6a2f104e-44cb-4412-bd84-84fdb1006afe ro single
#initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-11-generic

#title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic
#root (hd1,3)
#kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=UUID=6a2f104e-44cb-4412-bd84-84fdb1006afe ro quiet splash
#initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic
#quiet

#title Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic (recovery mode)
#root (hd1,3)
#kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=UUID=6a2f104e-44cb-4412-bd84-84fdb1006afe ro single
#initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic

title Ubuntu 8.04.1, memtest86+
root (hd1,3)
kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin
quiet

### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST

# This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian
# ones.
title Other operating systems:
root

# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda1
title Microsoft Windows XP Professional
root (hd0,0)
savedefault
makeactive
chainloader +1

To je celotna vsebina menu.lst.

A je normalno, da mi Partition Editor javlja?

Stanje: Ni priklopljeno
Ni mogoce brati vsebine tega datotecnega sistem itd.

@ubuntu: S tem bi rešil z druge strani kot želim. Se bom pa vseeno poigral.

Niber · 21. January, 2009

ne poznam partition editorja.
poizkusi še z gPartedom.

Drugače pa, datotečni sistem bi se skoraj moralo dati brati. Ali ti v nautilusu pod "mesta-računalnik" ta disk pokaže? Če ja, potem bi moral desni klik in "priklopi" rešit zadevo (sicer dvomim, saj drugače ne bi postavljal vprašanja...)
kaj imaš v /etc/fstab ?

hertz · 21. January, 2009

Najverjetneje nimaš pravilno nastavljenega parametra kje se nahaja bootloader v menu.lst. Imaš torej 3 diske v računalniku. Za diske so v GRUB-u oznake take; prvi disk (hd0,0), drugi (hd1,0), tretji (hd2,0),..., za particije pa mesto za vejico, torej prva particija (hd0,0), druga (hd0,1), itd.
Vse kar moraš narediti je, da spremeniš parameter, kje se boot loader od winsev nahaja iz (hd0,0) v (hd2,0) oziroma na distk/particijo kjer je nameščen.

LP

chief · 21. January, 2009

@Niber:

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
#
proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
# /dev/sdb4
UUID=6a2f104e-44cb-4412-bd84-84fdb1006afe / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
# /dev/sda1
UUID=1A0C85C30C859A81 /media/sda1 ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
# /dev/sda5
UUID=AE88E2DA88E29FD7 /media/sda5 ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
# /dev/sdb1
UUID=FE704F6B704F2A2B /media/sdb1 ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
# /dev/sdb2
UUID=E4786A56786A278E /media/sdb2 ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
# /dev/sdb3
UUID=0f63c6b2-bb4b-461e-a9b8-a4de38b28fe2 none swap sw 0 0
/dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
/dev/hda /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
/dev/ /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0

Mesta ->Računalnik ->windows particija je odlopljena naprava. Sem dal priklopi in reštartal, pa je zopet odklopljeno.

@hertz: Sem probal vse kombinacije (hd0,0) - (hd2,2), pa nobena ni bila. Mislim, da je vzrok v odklopljeni napravi (to pomeni, da ni mountana?). Kje to pravilno nastavim?

matija · 21. January, 2009

obstajajo tud neki grafični programčki za to, če ti ki pomaga:
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindows

chief · 21. January, 2009

Sem se malo igral. Particija Sistem je sedaj zmountana. UUID je bil napačen. Ubuntu sem nazadnje upoabljal, ko sem za sistem imel še drug disk. Sem spremenil in je sedaj vidno.

gedit /etc/fstab

proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
# Entry for /dev/sdc4 :
UUID=6a2f104e-44cb-4412-bd84-84fdb1006afe / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
# Entry for /dev/ !! UNKNOW DEVICE !! :
#UUID=1A0C85C30C859A81 /media/sda1 ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
UUID=ED1FC52142B17C40 /media/sda1 ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
# Entry for /dev/sdb5 :
UUID=AE88E2DA88E29FD7 /media/sda5 ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
# Entry for /dev/sdc1 :
UUID=FE704F6B704F2A2B /media/sdb1 ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
# Entry for /dev/sdc2 :
UUID=E4786A56786A278E /media/sdb2 ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
# Entry for /dev/sdc3 :
UUID=0f63c6b2-bb4b-461e-a9b8-a4de38b28fe2 none swap sw 0 0
/dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
/dev/hda /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
/dev/ /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
#/dev/hda1 /media/Sistem ntfs-3g defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
/dev/sda1 /media/Sistem ntfs-3g defaults,locale=sl_SI.UTF-8 0 0
#/dev/sdb1 /media/Nov\040nosilec ntfs-3g defaults,locale=sl_SI.UTF-8 0 0

ls /dev/disk/by-id -al

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 Filmi -> ../../sdc2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 Nov\x20nosilec -> ../../sdb1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 Ostalo -> ../../sdb5
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 Programiranje -> ../../sdc1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 Sistem -> ../../sda1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 Ubuntu -> ../../sdc4

ls /dev/disk/by-label -al

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2009-01-21 18:13 scsi-1ATA_WDC_WD1600JD-22HBB0_WD-WMAL92535659 -> ../../sdb
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 scsi-1ATA_WDC_WD1600JD-22HBB0_WD-WMAL92535659-part1 -> ../../sdb1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 scsi-1ATA_WDC_WD1600JD-22HBB0_WD-WMAL92535659-part2 -> ../../sdb2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 scsi-1ATA_WDC_WD1600JD-22HBB0_WD-WMAL92535659-part5 -> ../../sdb5
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 scsi-1ATA_WDC_WD1600JD-22HBB0_WD-WMAL92535659-part6 -> ../../sdb6
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 scsi-1ATA_WDC_WD1600JD-22HBB0_WD-WMAL92535659-part7 -> ../../sdb7
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2009-01-21 18:13 scsi-1ATA_WDC_WD3200KS-00PFB0_WD-WCAPD2248286 -> ../../sdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 scsi-1ATA_WDC_WD3200KS-00PFB0_WD-WCAPD2248286-part1 -> ../../sdc1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 scsi-1ATA_WDC_WD3200KS-00PFB0_WD-WCAPD2248286-part2 -> ../../sdc2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 scsi-1ATA_WDC_WD3200KS-00PFB0_WD-WCAPD2248286-part3 -> ../../sdc3
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 scsi-1ATA_WDC_WD3200KS-00PFB0_WD-WCAPD2248286-part4 -> ../../sdc4
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2009-01-21 18:13 scsi-1ATA_WDC_WD800AAJS-00PSA0_WD-WMAP9E819901 -> ../../sda
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-21 18:13 scsi-1ATA_WDC_WD800AAJS-00PSA0_WD-WMAP9E819901-part1 -> ../../sda1

Mesta -> Računalnik -> Sistem je sedaj vidno in naprava je priklopljena.

Windows(80GB) je na matični priklopljen na SATA1, Ubuntu(160GB) na SATA2, Podatki na SATA3(320GB).

In ker je tukaj sda1, bi to po logiki moral biti (hd0,0) v GRUB? Pa ni. Niti kakšna druga kombinacija. Še vedno NTLDR is missing.

Še kakšna ideja?

p.s.: Tisti Ubuntu na sdc4 ni ta pravi. To sem hotel z novo verzijo inštalirat, pa je bla napaka med inštalacijo. Potem sem se pa spomnil, da imam še ta starega na drugem disku in sem tega uporabil in posodobil.

hertz · 21. January, 2009

chief je dejal/-a:
@hertz: Sem probal vse kombinacije (hd0,0) - (hd2,2), pa nobena ni bila. Mislim, da je vzrok v odklopljeni napravi (to pomeni, da ni mountana?). Kje to pravilno nastavim?

Zares čudno, da ti ne najde. Odklopljena naprava v tem primeru ni problem, ker GRUB komunicira direktno z BIOSom. Pa tudi omenil si, da se Win normalno naložijo, če izbereš njihov disk za first boot device.
Moja konfiguracija z dvemi diski:

Ubuntu:
title Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-11-generic
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.27-11-generic root=UUID=116614af-2d0e-4e44-a8d6-3820fa1f9d07 ro quiet splash
initrd /initrd.img-2.6.27-11-generic
quiet

Vista:
title Windows Vista SP1
root (hd1,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1

Poleg tega sem opazil, da imaš napake v menu.lst:

### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST

# This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian
# ones.
title Other operating systems: zakomentiraj ali izbriši
root zakomentiraj ali izbriši

# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda1
title Microsoft Windows XP Professional
root (hd0,0)
savedefault
makeactive
chainloader +1

LP

Niber · 21. January, 2009

chief je dejal/-a:
Ce bootam z diska (80GB), na katerem so windowsi, se Windowsi nalozijo normalno mimo Gruba.

Grub je na 160GB disku. In ce preko Gruba zelim v Windowse, mi javi NTldr is missing. Tako da sedaj moram v BIOSu menjat zaporedje diskov za boot, da lahko saltam med Windows in Ubuntu.

Ko menjaš vrstni red diskov v biosu, windowsi svoj disk nenadoma prepoznavajo kot drugi disk, tega pa ne marajo. Zato jih je treba v grubu prelisičiti tako, da mislijo, da so na prvi particiji:

# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda1
title Microsoft Windows XP Professional
root (hd0,0)
savedefault
makeactive
chainloader +1

spremeni v:

# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda1
title Microsoft Windows XP Professional
root (hd0,0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map (hd1) (hd0)
savedefault
makeactive
chainloader +1

Edino tega ne vem, če mora biti root vrstica pred vrsticama map ali za njima.

Niber · 21. January, 2009

test

Niber · 21. January, 2009

Ko menjaš vrstni red diskov v biosu, okna svoj disk nenadoma prepoznavajo kot drugi disk, tega pa ne marajo. Zato jih je treba v grubu prelisičiti tako, da mislijo, da so na prvi particiji

Niber · 21. January, 2009

map (hd0) (hd1)
map (hd1) (hd0)

Niber · 21. January, 2009

Te dve vrstici dodaj v grub, mislim da pred "root (hd0,0), da zamenjaš vrstni red particij, kot ga vidijo winsi.

Niber · 21. January, 2009

Napsy: Askimet mi ni dovolil kompletnega postopka objaviti v enem postu, ker me je imel za spam.

napsy · 21. January, 2009

Niber je dejal/-a:
Napsy: Askimet mi ni dovolil kompletnega postopka objaviti v enem postu, ker me je imel za spam.

Um javi blažu da je askimet naredu false report.

Problem z diskom, na katerem so Windowsi

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